Single Largest Cigarette Tax Hike Goes Into Effect Wednesday
 

Well folks here is the promise of not taxing anyone under 250,000 This is just the beginning

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009...sday/comments/

I never heard they weren't going to tax us. Who said that?

Obama promissed during his campain nobody would see any tax increase making under 250,000. They are going to tax the s**t out of us all.:mad:

Pretty sure that was in relation to federal income taxes.

The Republicans blew 700 billion before the election, then the Dems blew over one trillion more tax dollars in less than a month. Taxes are going up for everyone, and for a very long time...and I don't see any end to the big spending either:mad:

I don't really care about cig taxes as I don't smoke but they are biting themselves in the foot if they think they will end up getting more tax revenue by doing that, the people that quit smoking or don't start in the first place will off set any increased tax revenue they might have gotten.

I do believe that it's a two part deal. They hope some people will quit which will supposedly cut down on cigarette smoking related health care costs AND they hope to offset the lost tax revenue by taxing those who continue.

Andy,

I take it you dont smoke. But it will go much further than smokers. Just watch and see:D Wait till Cap and Trade comes. You will feel like a train ran up your ass! Sorry no disrespect

No. I don't smoke. Never had.

cough

I think it's funny how people expect that a politician saying "no new taxes" or "I won't raise taxes against people making under $xxx,xxx" means that they won't find another way to collect revenue.

This shit ain't going to pay for itself.

There is alot of buyers remorse going on and I hope 2010 will be a tipping point when congress gets voted on. If it were to go the way of the republicans, they would make Obama impotent. THats what I hope for.

You would think that any reasonable person would hope that Obama would actually get some things fixed up.

Quite frankly, I'm stunned when I read comments like yours or when I hear people like Rush Limbaugh hoping for Obama's failure.

I've lost faith in the Republican's. They dug this shit hole we're standing in and now they're working pretty hard to make sure we're stuck in it.

You've been duped by the left wing media Andy:D

What Rush said and what the media made no attempt to clarify, was that he wanted obama to fail because his policies are socialist. I don't want him to succeed for the same reason, Obama succeeding means the America I love is gone. The media you got your info from didn't give you the context of the comment, which is par for the course with liberals.

What part of America do you love?

Andy,

I can tell you the part of America I love is the ones that dont feel like the government should take care of all their needs at the expense of all the taxpayers. ;) Just my 2 cents

Ain't going to argue there.

I have no idea how things are going to be 'fixed' but I can't imagine that George W would be doing any better at this point.

Probably not, he was far from a fiscal conservative so who knows what he would have done, at any rate he's gone and now we have president Obama and so far he has not done one single thing I agree with.

I know this is a over simplification but I believe the fix is to get government out of the way. That's one of the big things that allowed our country to prosper. Too much government interference never results in long term prosperity. It results in massive ungodly debt and bureaucracy that makes it nearly impossible to get anything done.

GW did go after terrorists with the military in Iraq and afganistan and it saved us from another 911 and does not compare to what democrats did to our financial system. My idea would be to remove the democrats and a number of republicans from power. Believe me I have a problem with some republicans who are worthless as tits on a bull. But the root of our financial problems came from Bill Clinton, Chris Dodd and Barney Frank. Obama also is to blame while working for Acorn as he was involved with lawsuits forcing CitiBank to lend money to persons who had no chance of paying back. That made all the financial institutions scared of being labeled racists if they did not do the same. That lowered all lending standards and caused such an irresponsible generation who thought they could fund everything with credit down to their underwear. So putting Obama, Chris Dodd and Barney Frank in charge of spearheading the economy is like putting Colonel Sanders in charge of the population of chickens. All that debt and bad democrat policy put us into such a financial crisis when the gas prices went up put all bad loans ever the edge. Yeah Democrats and RINOs. All those bad politicians should be deported to Russia :mad:

So, the financial crisis was created by Obama?

Bahh, we live in a marketing society that is driven by credit. Hollywood and NY start of using the media muscle to push everything down everyone's throats. People eat it up too, and then no one can get it but the bankers pass around IOU's and write paper checks to pay for these goods. And the rest of the population is now paying taxes and making payment. Where is the true capitol?

This isn't a political crisis as much as it is a social one. Obama isn't gonna slap Hollywood hard with taxes, you think Oprah is worth all that money. I grew up in DC and spent lots of time pummeled by the inner loop lingo . If we have a capitol that is a dump if you go 10 blocks in any direction from the mall, how are they gonna fix the country? People need to get back to doing things instead of being scared by the media... The sun is gonna rise tomorrow I know it. The big machine will push forward and times will again get better.

On the Tobacco thing, well the valley I live in was full of tobacco farmers when I was a kid. I mean it was everywhere and the burley tobacco auctions were a huge deal. Now there is not one tobacco farm. The tax should be placed on the imported tobacco and bring back American farming. I can only imagine how the valley would smell if they were to legalize marijuana. That would most definitely stimulate my local economy. And I am not talking about Jay and Silent Bob, but real old man farmers could afford to put their tractors back to work.

I don't get either why talk of universal coverage is so associated with socialism? I easily see where we should have a basic needs system in place where imminent life threatening illnesses and emergency care should be available to all, but still I am sure the private practices would flourish and people would still buy insurance to get better choices.

Actually Andy more in this order: Bill Clinton, Chris Dodd, Barney Frank and Obama

Well then, now you're getting some where. But it amazes me that people are so blinded by their party affiliation that they will hold harmless the guy that ran the show for the last 8 years.

I can't even begin to understand how you can blindly ignore it.

At all costs.... blame Bush and the GOP. Deflect, deflect Will Robinson.

What I do blame Bush for is caving into the Libtards and Dems too often.

Back on subject though, I smoke and now think even better than quitting for my health is to quit to spite the Media's Messiah. I made the day the tax hits in my area the day I quit. Not another penny more than I have to will I give to the Socialist cause.

Lookie here, I'm not saying "blame bush" I'm saying let's not ignore his administrations role in all of this.

But the same folks who are saying "deflect deflect" and want to absolve Bush of everything are the ones blaming the guy whose been in office for 73 days.

It's time for The One, the great community organizer to stand on his own. How long do we blame Bush for anything that happens from today forward? I guess if you watch MSLSD you can do it forever. Again I'll blame Bush and Company for not running Bawney and Dodd out of town. Dems held congress for the last two years of Bush's second term. I guess it WAS Bush's fault he didn't try harder to regulate Fanny and Freddie. Look up some numbers and see when the shit started hitting the fan. Pubs were blocked at every turn trying to regulate Fannie and Freddie with more than cooked books.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MGT_cSi7Rs

Yes Andy the financial crisis is patially due to Obama...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RZVw3no2A4

I myself wasn't particulary impressed with Bush and Company, but if the Messiah is all he's cracked up to be along with a total Dem Libtard controlled Congress we should see the Country in total bliss soon right? But it seems the more time goes along all we're seeing is more spending with no end in sight. More backdoor taxes on smokes, beer is coming, wait for Cap and Trade, God I hope that doesn't pass or we're screwed, more direct taxes on small business, gas will be the next thing because it's evil to drive to work to pay those taxes. Is Bush doing this? Find me some evidence how Bush and Company caused the housing bubble. The root cause of the Ecomonic crisis we're in.

For God sakes stop watching PMSNBC, Obledick and cum in pants Matthews are so far in the tank for the Messiah it's shameful. They're talking about how Michelle is dressing, these are the important facts to them. :rolleyes:

The only good thing to come out of all this is that I can buy a shitload of low priced stocks that have no where to go but up. It's a hell of roller coaster right now but it seems every second day I gain more than I lose on the inbetween days. If the Messiah would just stay off TV, keep his yap closed and let the free market run it's course things would turn around much faster.

Now this is more like the good ole days!

Argue on my friends :p

Actually, this is the kind of thing that killed the community.

I doubt that Andy, I think people just got tired of the game and moved on. UT99 or whatever it was was fun to the max but like all good things came to an end. None of the other UT games lived up to the hype and people trying to recreate the same maps or similar circumstances just didn't play the same.

Not to mention people just grow up after while and put the games down.

I don't see anything here in this thread but a spirited discussion. If that's what killed the community that's sad. Again I doubt that because it seemed to be the spirited discussions that kept people coming back. Look at this thread, seems like there's more activity in this thread than you guys get all year.

I'd have to say the heated debates were what kept the blood pumping in the community, when that ended so did everything else. It's like watching a train wreck over and over again, who doesn't like that?

You can doubt it all you want, I can restore the old forum DB and let you go through the last few months of it if you like.

I don't think I was around then. But in any case as long as things don't turn into personal attacks debates CAN be civil. It's hard when you have the anonymity of the Internet though, I think we've all done it at one time or another.

Then again, as time goes on that anonymity you think you have isn't all what you thought it was. Just about anybody these days can be called out, found out and dragged through the mud pretty darn easily.

LMAO ^^^

I see your satire and raise you two...

You guys are friggen crazy LOL LMMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thats very cool:D My ribs hurt now. But how thruthful

You think Olbermann and Matthews will cover this? How can it be ignored? Sure as shit though they'll call all these people right wing nut jobs.

Let the map populate, it's staggering!

http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UT...4&source=embed

More of this to come

http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/200...20_summit.html

Add this one to the pot

Ps I just read the loose tobacco tax went up 2000%.. I don't know how valid that is but GD I'm glad I don't smoke.

I think more people will quit than they think, it's another good reason to stop.

I live in a southern state and might try growing my own if this keeps up. Just got to buy a shit load of papers for rolling:D Ahhhh maybe time to quit:eek:

It's always time to quit. :D I kicked it a decade ago and it's one of the best decisions I've ever made.