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[*XxDADxX*]

There is alot of buyers remorse going on and I hope 2010 will be a tipping point when congress gets voted on. If it were to go the way of the republicans, they would make Obama impotent. THats what I hope for.

Originally Posted by andyofne

I think it's funny how people expect that a politician saying "no new taxes" or "I won't raise taxes against people making under $xxx,xxx" means that they won't find another way to collect revenue.

This shit ain't going to pay for itself.

[andyofne]

Originally Posted by *XxDADxX*

There is alot of buyers remorse going on and I hope 2010 will be a tipping point when congress gets voted on. If it were to go the way of the republicans, they would make Obama impotent. THats what I hope for.

You would think that any reasonable person would hope that Obama would actually get some things fixed up.

Quite frankly, I'm stunned when I read comments like yours or when I hear people like Rush Limbaugh hoping for Obama's failure.

I've lost faith in the Republican's. They dug this shit hole we're standing in and now they're working pretty hard to make sure we're stuck in it.

[Dawson]

Originally Posted by andyofne

You would think that any reasonable person would hope that Obama would actually get some things fixed up.

Quite frankly, I'm stunned when I read comments like yours or when I hear people like Rush Limbaugh hoping for Obama's failure.

I've lost faith in the Republican's. They dug this shit hole we're standing in and now they're working pretty hard to make sure we're stuck in it.

You've been duped by the left wing media Andy

What Rush said and what the media made no attempt to clarify, was that he wanted obama to fail because his policies are socialist. I don't want him to succeed for the same reason, Obama succeeding means the America I love is gone. The media you got your info from didn't give you the context of the comment, which is par for the course with liberals.

[andyofne]

Originally Posted by Dawson

You've been duped by the left wing media Andy

What Rush said and what the media made no attempt to clarify, was that he wanted obama to fail because his policies are socialist. I don't want him to succeed for the same reason, Obama succeeding means the America I love is gone. The media you got your info from didn't give you the context of the comment, which is par for the course with liberals.

What part of America do you love?

[*XxDADxX*]

Originally Posted by andyofne

What part of America do you love?

Andy,

I can tell you the part of America I love is the ones that dont feel like the government should take care of all their needs at the expense of all the taxpayers. Just my 2 cents

[andyofne]

Originally Posted by *XxDADxX*

Andy,

I can tell you the part of America I love is the ones that dont feel like the government should take care of all their needs at the expense of all the taxpayers. Just my 2 cents

Ain't going to argue there.

I have no idea how things are going to be 'fixed' but I can't imagine that George W would be doing any better at this point.

[Dawson]

Originally Posted by andyofne

Ain't going to argue there.

I have no idea how things are going to be 'fixed' but I can't imagine that George W would be doing any better at this point.

Probably not, he was far from a fiscal conservative so who knows what he would have done, at any rate he's gone and now we have president Obama and so far he has not done one single thing I agree with.

I know this is a over simplification but I believe the fix is to get government out of the way. That's one of the big things that allowed our country to prosper. Too much government interference never results in long term prosperity. It results in massive ungodly debt and bureaucracy that makes it nearly impossible to get anything done.

[*XxDADxX*]

Originally Posted by andyofne

Ain't going to argue there.

I have no idea how things are going to be 'fixed' but I can't imagine that George W would be doing any better at this point.

GW did go after terrorists with the military in Iraq and afganistan and it saved us from another 911 and does not compare to what democrats did to our financial system. My idea would be to remove the democrats and a number of republicans from power. Believe me I have a problem with some republicans who are worthless as tits on a bull. But the root of our financial problems came from Bill Clinton, Chris Dodd and Barney Frank. Obama also is to blame while working for Acorn as he was involved with lawsuits forcing CitiBank to lend money to persons who had no chance of paying back. That made all the financial institutions scared of being labeled racists if they did not do the same. That lowered all lending standards and caused such an irresponsible generation who thought they could fund everything with credit down to their underwear. So putting Obama, Chris Dodd and Barney Frank in charge of spearheading the economy is like putting Colonel Sanders in charge of the population of chickens. All that debt and bad democrat policy put us into such a financial crisis when the gas prices went up put all bad loans ever the edge. Yeah Democrats and RINOs. All those bad politicians should be deported to Russia

[andyofne]

Originally Posted by *XxDADxX*

GW did go after terrorists with the military in Iraq and afganistan and it saved us from another 911 and does not compare to what democrats did to our financial system. My idea would be to remove the democrats and a number of republicans from power. Believe me I have a problem with some republicans who are worthless as tits on a bull. But the root of our financial problems came from Bill Clinton, Chris Dodd and Barney Frank. Obama also is to blame while working for Acorn as he was involved with lawsuits forcing CitiBank to lend money to persons who had no chance of paying back. That made all the financial institutions scared of being labeled racists if they did not do the same. That lowered all lending standards and caused such an irresponsible generation who thought they could fund everything with credit down to their underwear. So putting Obama, Chris Dodd and Barney Frank in charge of spearheading the economy is like putting Colonel Sanders in charge of the population of chickens. All that debt and bad democrat policy put us into such a financial crisis when the gas prices went up put all bad loans ever the edge. Yeah Democrats and RINOs. All those bad politicians should be deported to Russia

So, the financial crisis was created by Obama?

[Tidy]

Bahh, we live in a marketing society that is driven by credit. Hollywood and NY start of using the media muscle to push everything down everyone's throats. People eat it up too, and then no one can get it but the bankers pass around IOU's and write paper checks to pay for these goods. And the rest of the population is now paying taxes and making payment. Where is the true capitol?

This isn't a political crisis as much as it is a social one. Obama isn't gonna slap Hollywood hard with taxes, you think Oprah is worth all that money. I grew up in DC and spent lots of time pummeled by the inner loop lingo . If we have a capitol that is a dump if you go 10 blocks in any direction from the mall, how are they gonna fix the country? People need to get back to doing things instead of being scared by the media... The sun is gonna rise tomorrow I know it. The big machine will push forward and times will again get better.

On the Tobacco thing, well the valley I live in was full of tobacco farmers when I was a kid. I mean it was everywhere and the burley tobacco auctions were a huge deal. Now there is not one tobacco farm. The tax should be placed on the imported tobacco and bring back American farming. I can only imagine how the valley would smell if they were to legalize marijuana. That would most definitely stimulate my local economy. And I am not talking about Jay and Silent Bob, but real old man farmers could afford to put their tractors back to work.

I don't get either why talk of universal coverage is so associated with socialism? I easily see where we should have a basic needs system in place where imminent life threatening illnesses and emergency care should be available to all, but still I am sure the private practices would flourish and people would still buy insurance to get better choices.